@cowlazars I'll allow that many consider Forrest to be the master wordsmith who often deceptive answers that were true when taken at face value, so there's always going to be some unresolvable debate points.
As for the damaged blaze, I don't believe that it was a mark on a tree. I think Fenn's quote about not being feasible to remove the blaze suggested that it was much more permanant than a tree blaze.
It would be very feasible to remove such a blaze with a hatchet stashed in a backpack. If the contention is that it would simply make a bigger blaze, I disagree. Depending on what such a blaze looked like, if Fenn or someone else made it, I'm sure it could be altered in such a way as to make it look like something else.
A while back it was posited that the reason for the conference between YNP and Jack/Fenn was that a new law was enacted making it illegal for the chest to be hidden in the park. If that were the case, YNP would be cracking down on the geocachers also, regardless of the diffence in scope compared to Fenn's hunt.
Tying point 4 to point 2, While a tree can certainly be around in 100 years, I don't think Fenn could be as confident as he was that it would that the blaze would last so long if it were simply a mark on a tree. A forest fire or other natural force could alter it, which I recognize is exactly what Jack contends. Again Fenn seemed too confident in the staying power of his clues for that to have really been the case.
So is Fenn Rock the actual HoB? If so that's really lame. If HoB is in the river next to Fenn Rock, that again begs the question how far BELOW it do you put in? Also, Fenn seemed that it was a relatively few number of people who solved the first 2 clues, while there had to have been many. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he say to the effect that to the best of his uncertain knowledge, nobody had given him more that the first 2 clues in order correctly? Lot's of people had the idea of HoB being brown trout and many had to have crossed the Madison, even if a few didn't.
Yes, rubber sole waders are the worst. Supposibly the felt soled waders capture microorganisms, and can bring them from one watershed to another, if you hit two rivers in one day. I guess that's why they say theyre not allowed. But rubber soled waders are dangerous on slippery rocks.
Another lesson to be learned from f's comment about using wader's w/felt bottom soles: They are not allowed in Yellowstone Park ... BUT, they are allowed elsewhere in the State of Wyoming! Wear felt sole waders if you need to use waders at your solution's location anywhere but YS Park.
NO, 9MH just doesn't fit the poem or f's many comments.
If you don't know what I'm not talkin' about, then just don't pay me no nevermind ... mountain digger
Another lesson to be learned from f's comment about using wader's w/felt bottom soles: They are not allowed in Yellowstone Park ... BUT, they are allowed elsewhere in the State of Wyoming! Wear felt sole waders if you need to use waders at your solution's location anywhere but YS Park.
NO, 9MH just doesn't fit the poem or f's many comments.
Words from the Salmon………
If Begin “IT” where warm waters halt means the Madison River the
why does the sign on Justin Posey’s site say otherwise?
I tried posting a photo but not sure how that works on this new site,
so I’ll quote it:
Without thermal runoff, the Madison River would be just another cold mountain stream. Hot springs upriver warm the Madison year round, creating spring-like conditions even in winter.
And when he(Justin) speaks of testing the soil at the “spot” which may show the chest was actually there(and it may likely have been) it doesn’t necessarily prove how long it was there. When the Salmon asked, he found this:
AI OverviewWhile testing soil for copper content might offer some clues about the presence of buried bronze, it's unlikely to provide a precise timeframe for how long the bronze has been buried, as other factors influence copper levels in soil.
@mountain-digger Really.. Because he asked on more than one ocassion for some one to tell him how deep a whole was.
"How deeps a hole"~FF
My guess is the answer to that is Nine miles deep. From the Firehole And Gibbon river where the Madison starts, down Madison Canyon to Fenn Rock, Cross the river and look for the blaze in the woods across the stream.. His whole life in Yellowstone revolved around Fishing so... Surprised?
Besides I thought all of the old Chase threads had been dumped and the website was revamped for the new chase?
@mountain-digger Really.. Because he asked on more than one ocassion for some one to tell him how deep a whole was.
"How deeps a hole"~FF
My guess is the answer to that is Nine miles deep. From the Firehole And Gibbon river where the Madison starts, down Madison Canyon to Fenn Rock, Cross the river and look for the blaze in the woods across the stream.. His whole life in Yellowstone revolved around Fishing so... Surprised?
Besides I thought all of the old Chase threads had been dumped and the website was revamped for the new chase?
Really. You "guess" is correctly stated. All the information you need to find the treasure is in the poem. I didn't say it ... but I do choose to not guess.
Do you also guess f left without knowing one solved the poem? My recollection is that he referred to one as psychic. I believe they even answered nf, btftw to f's satisfaction.
Cow can speak to your last paragraph but know mountain digger is here only for TTOTC. oh, this is Cow's thread but all things might change.
If you don't know what I'm not talkin' about, then just don't pay me no nevermind ... mountain digger
There’s a lot of talk of 9mile Hole for good reason, but it’s funny that I’ve pretty much never seen 7 Mile Hole get any love.
You technically didn't need any of the books to find the treasure. So Fenn rock is out. And Fenn said all the clues are geographic locations. So even if you could get to Nine Mile hole. At waters high. What leads you to the next geographic clue?? And why would Fenn say in a early interview. Nine mile hole was his TOP SECRET SPOT. So of course hundreds of people searched there right away. And even thou Justin thought he found the spot Jack took the photo of the chest he took close to where he found it . away from the hiding spot. Why wouldn't he or anyone else take pictures of the actual spot where the treasure was in the earth? Any normal person would of took tons of pictures of everything. There still should be a hole where the box orginally inbedded. And there still should be a recognizable blaze of some kind. Even if it was a carving on a tree. Which I don't believe. I just don't get why the truth couldn't be disclosed.
Up until age 86 f said he could still go back and get the treasure. That wouldn't happen of he was required to cross a river.
F told is he could go right straight to it. Having to tie fishing line to find his way to his "special spot" takes way from how special f made it seem.
F said the finder would go right straight to it and would find it whether buried or not. Wrong again.
F created a fictious solution for Karl and others to share. He kept his promise to Jack by doing so. He knew some searchers would believe it. On one hand f lied about the solution but he is gone and unless Jack suddenly decides truth matters, the ending as portrayed will be written in pencil. The truth is carved out where the spot actually and it will likely remain the same unlike the spot he portrayed.
I feel sad for Cynthia because anything f said would gospel for her. I say shame on f for taking advantage of her and so many others.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UwGMih1Mo8&pp=0gcJCc0AaK0XXGki
Cyntha’s video is pretty revealing. Fenns’ own words.
Madison Junction = WWWH. That’ll get you to 9mile alright.
However, it leaves us to wonder just where it is more than
halfway from, metaphorically speaking. And if the poem led
to the end of his rainbow,,,,,,and the treasure, then where was
the rainbow, metaphorically. Madison to 9mile seems like a
pretty straight shot to me. But as they say…….whatever floats
your boat. I think I’ve walked far enough.
Because after figuring out the 7 blank letter in the cyfer that runs through the poem the GPS coordinates doesn’t lead one there
Of course, this is the longest thread. Oh brother.
What doesn't fit?
Madison Junction. Yeah, it works, but it just seems wrong to me. It’s not in the poem. You just have to take a wild guess to use it. Backtrack upstream a little farther and you’ll get to Isa Lake. Isa fits geographically and metaphorically, plus it’s the beginning of the poem, (As I). The first clue is Begin ‘it’ WWWH. If you don’t know where ‘it’ is go back to the first clue. That reads ISA. I can think of one reason that Forrest wouldn’t have given it as ‘it’ for Jacks ending, and that would be to let us know that the ending was his can of pepper, and there’s more than meets the ‘I’ to the story.
These are my thoughts.
I believe "put in" is casual talk for launching a boat/canoe. That's what we say in Oklahoma.
I believe the HOB was the Lamar Ranger Station. I believe you "put in below the home of Brown" and float until you reach no place for the meek. Where would that be? Float down to the Hellroaring River. Hellroaring is opposite of meek. Also, Hell/meek together is poetic.
Do I think Mr. Fenn intended for you to actually take a boat down the river? No, just a way to use the map.
Lamar Ranger Station wasn't far from Firehole Canyon (canyon down) (35 miles as crow flies) but it was too far to walk. You needed to drive. That's why there was a highway nearby.
