raven raised this topic and I would like to see it discussed openly as a Fenn topic. Not sure if this is the right place either but Cow will let me know if not.
What @ravenhome777 said:
FF famously said 'don't mess with my poem'. It seems like there is a lot of messing about. Maybe we just need to look at it from a different perspective. I think that might be what the backwards bike video reference was about. We need to think about it from another point of view.
The f quote:
“The solve is difficult for many searchers because their minds think the clues are tougher to decrypt than they really are. Some say they are trying to think outside the box, as if the solution is somewhere out there. Until now I have resisted telling them to get back in the box where their thoughts are comfortable and flow more easily. The blueprint is challenging so the treasure may be located by the one who can best adjust. To illustrate my point go to YouTube — Smarter Every Day.” ff
If you don't know what I'm not talkin' about, then just don't pay me no nevermind ... mountain digger
raven raised this topic and I would like to see it discussed openly as a Fenn topic. Not sure if this is the right place either but Cow will let me know if not.
What @ravenhome777 said:
FF famously said 'don't mess with my poem'. It seems like there is a lot of messing about. Maybe we just need to look at it from a different perspective. I think that might be what the backwards bike video reference was about. We need to think about it from another point of view.
The f quote:
“The solve is difficult for many searchers because their minds think the clues are tougher to decrypt than they really are. Some say they are trying to think outside the box, as if the solution is somewhere out there. Until now I have resisted telling them to get back in the box where their thoughts are comfortable and flow more easily. The blueprint is challenging so the treasure may be located by the one who can best adjust. To illustrate my point go to YouTube — Smarter Every Day.” ff
md,
I was thinking on this a little bit more today, after watching the second episode of Greed and Gold. I was thinking on the family who spent all that time trying to blow up the boulder. I don't mean to offend the family, but after watching them for a 1/2 hour trying to blow up the boulder, I just couldn't help but think == did you guys really think this through? There are several clues that FF provided that discount this solve. The main one being that he didn't plant the chest where an 80 year old man couldn't go. So, do you guys really think that FF, an 80 year old man, somehow moved this gigantic boulder and put the chest under it? Especially if you 3 young men spent 2 years trying to blow it up?
But, then, it became interesting because they became completely disillusioned. However, they did not give up. What did they do? They dug deeper and decided to make the poem more complex by using ciphers and cryptology. This is what I thought was interesting, because the human brain has a natural tendency to decide to make things more difficult after the first attempt fails. The brain has a natural tendency to assume that the solve must be more difficult, because the first attempt didn't succeed. I admit that I fell into the same trap. But today, I started thinking about the backwards bicycle. The backwards bicycle kind of reminds me of steering a motor boat with an outboard motor. You have to push the motor in the opposite direction to go the direction that you want to go in. So, if you want to go left, you push it right, and if you want to go right, you push it left. I started to wonder if this is what FF was talking about when he mentioned the backwards bicycle video. Maybe he was saying that, I understand that your natural tendency is to make things more difficult, but if you disregarded your natural tendency towards complexity, and go with further simplicity instead, then you would be much closer to the chest.
Then, think about the mindset of FF when he first hid the treasure. In Greed and Gold, the book shop owner says that FF wanted to sell his books in her shop. He says that he has a treasure hunt embedded into the book because that is the only way that anyone would buy his book. That was his mindset. So it seems quite simplistic, so, likewise, he probably had a mindset of making the treasure solve reasonably easy. So that lends credence to the chest being at 9 Mile Hole. It's a simple solution. It was hidden in plain view. It was extremely difficult to find, because everyone tried to complicate the poem and the clues instead of simplifying.
@ravenhome777 we spent 2 years on Forrest poem. Not 2 years moving bolder. Cyfer was Andrew Briggs we just found the 7 blank letter key word in it that allows one to understand how to run point A to point b to get GPS coordinates that landed us at a big ass x with a white arrow like Forrest said a blaze can be a white mark on a horse’s head. The bolder had to go because it was at the center of GPS.
Yea bolder/ elephant had to go
I didn’t just blow shit up for no reason. I got gps coordinates from the poem
One will move with determination once the nail down wwwh.
your right. We were wrong. It took Forrest 15 years to hide his treasure at Mr brown’s house and then proceeded to say the poem a A Good Map will lead you to his treasure. Don’t think Mr Brown needed a good map and I know between the 3 of them boys that fish would be caught. Hell he told us several times Marvin could catch any fish he wanted. But they couldn’t get Mr Brown lol. Shit even I could have got his ass outta that hole lol
your right. We were wrong. It took Forrest 15 years to hide his treasure at Mr brown’s house and then proceeded to say the poem a A Good Map will lead you to his treasure. Don’t think Mr Brown needed a good map and I know between the 3 of them boys that fish would be caught. Hell he told us several times Marvin could catch any fish he wanted. But they couldn’t get Mr Brown lol. Shit even I could have got his ass outta that hole lol
You are missing my point my friend. Re-read my post. I did not mean to specifically comment about your situation and your search. My search experience was quite similar. What I meant to express was that by watching your efforts to find the Chest, it allowed me to take a step back and re-examine the psychological process that most of us went through to solve the riddle. The natural human tendency when we first do not succeed at solving a difficult problem is that, - oh, this must be more complicated than I originally intended, so I must develop a more sophisticated answer or response. That is human nature. It's a knee jerk response that we all had. It's a natural human tendency. I did the same.
In fact, I specifically remember finding WWWH at Madison River, and looking along the river and analyzing the 9 Mile Hole area, and then thinking - nah, scratch this. It's "too far to walk". It must be by Beaver Creek, way out 20 miles away. You need a car to drive to it. That frame of thought is making things more complicated. Not making things simplified. That is the natural human tendency. Similar to the natural human tendency, when driving a boat with an outboard motor, that you want to point the motor to the right to go right, and to the left to go left. But, in order to correctly steer the boat, you have to point the motor in the opposite direction to go the correct direction.
I think FF wanted to help searchers find the chest, especially when he started having house invasions. I think he was trying to give us helpful hints to steer us in the right direction. He saw searchers over complicating the poem and he knew that they would not find the Chest by over complicating the poem. They would find that Chest by simplifying the poem. Simplifying puts you closer to the right path. So that's all I was getting at.
Trust me. You were way closer with your solve than I was with mine. We all did the best that we could do. I wasn't even in the right state!
no hard feelings my friend. I don’t regret anything. I had a blast literally lol
I do believe he started dropping extra hints to lead one home
